𝄫 Question Meme 05

[glorious]

Haven't done this since May, I need a distraction, Van recently hit 25k and I am trying to suck less at doing these things.

So! Accepting questions for Selenia/Van Grants and Saya! I'll also do heart rooms cause those are always nifty and fun. :3

Comments

[doesnothappen]

relation...ship..? OR LIKE did the whole "can't be your mom or your little brother" PLEASE LET'S EQUAL RELATIONSHIP thing make any... impression... or... idk man, how we doing?

[glorious]

TWO MONTHS LATE since I put this question on backburner cause I wasn't honestly sure how much of an impression it made (Selenia is the sort that can disregard things and change his mind when it suits his purposes YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS) and usually permanent changes aren't made clear until later so this was just...forgotten for a while until I remembered just now. '-'a

However, I think it's come up in these recent threads we've had so I figure I can come back to it now! One reason Selenia got angry with Mau's Ruby Incident-related upset was partly a "why are you even angry about this? YOU'RE NOT MY MOM" reaction. He really saw no reason for Mau to be upset about it if it wasn't an attempt to scold him and he didn't want to let Mau walk away without doing something to assert his own authority. And then it just continued with that line of thinking with EXCESSIVE STUBBORN REFUSAL TO BE MOM'D WHICH MEANS I CAN'T ADMIT TO BEING WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING EVER until Selenia gave in and accepted basic logic Mau's 'authority' at the end.

And it's also showing up in the current thread we have going on about Mother's game and Selenia's heavy projections onto Jabberwock. He really did want to avoid telling Mau about getting strangled in the game, but he ended up telling him for fear of getting 'caught' hiding things like that again, and he took whatever chance he could to downplay it without lying, mostly by playing it off as a cruel joke (...and it kind of was). But a lot of that was done to try and avoid perceived discipline later. He also mentioned Jabberwock, less to learn Mau's side of it (he pretty much figured anything Mau would say would not be in line with his own worldview) and more because he was worried about consequences if it got out that he was talking to Jabberwock. By telling Mau first, he avoided possible problems by deferring to Mau's authority, so if his corpse shows up he followed the letter of the law and therefore Mau can't get angry about him getting himself killed! FLAWLESS. (Though then his motive shifted part way through to defend his own worldview Jabberwock because...Selenia can't accept someone disagreeing with him, enough so that he would go and talk to one of the most dangerous Personae around almost solely because it validates him.)

It's...kind of terrible how Selenia doesn't seem to understand how equal relationships work without antagonism. (Meaning, if there's a perceived threat to his place in the hierarchy by someone making a move to get 'above' him, the response is to antagonize to maintain 'equal standing'.) He is still incapable of viewing criticism from a friend as anything but some sort of power-game, since he only ever gave criticism to those he outranked or only received it from the one person who outranked him, and he never dealt with disagreement from an actual friend in canon...mostly because he didn't actually have any friendships that didn't already have an unequal power dynamic of some sort built in.

So, yes, the talk had an impression. However, what Selenia took away from is that titles of authority are to be avoided, but the hierarchy he has in his mind is still clearly there. It'll take some rooting out.

...ALSO, DID YOU WANT A LATE RETURN QUESTION OR SHALL I LET IT LIE? OR WAS THAT A RETURN QUESTION ON IT'S OWN SINCE IT HAS A QUESTION MARK AT THE END? WOULD IT BE THREE QUESTIONS IF I ADD ANOTHER?

[doesnothappen]

/psyduck

[glorious]

I FEEL THAT THAT IS THE ONLY APPROPRIATE REACTION TO ALL THAT. orz

also i apologize if that was a sudden burst of 'don't want'. i was just looking over past question memes, realize i never got back to this one and also realized that it had come up recently so. i apologize.

[doesnothappen]

WE'RE GOOD I just. Yes. Cannot think of any other possible response, because...

...Selenia..............